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bober

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Hi Guys,

Are there any good techniques for postings on blogs that don't have 'no follow' links?

I've posted few comments lately & noticed they are no follow's.

Any advise as to counter act this...
 

link8r

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Hi Bober - "counteract" ? how do you mean?

If you're commenting for PageRank - that's spam.
 

bober

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Hi Bober - "counteract" ? how do you mean?

If you're commenting for PageRank - that's spam.
We'll it's bit of both 'genuine interest & to get a backlink with anchor text'

*maybe i should slightly re-phrase 'if i comment on a blog post that has 'no follow' using 'SEO Dublin' as my anchor text/name will this still benefit my PR for SEO Dublin'?
 

link8r

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We'll it's bit of both 'genuine interest & to get a backlink with anchor text'

*maybe i should slightly re-phrase 'if i comment on a blog post that has 'no follow' using 'SEO Dublin' as my anchor text/name will this still benefit my PR for SEO Dublin'?
Blog comments are very low down the value chain. If you use "SEO Dublin" - then it's spam. You are Glen Quin, not "SEO Dublin" - nobody calls you that!?

If it was my blog I'd block you.

Glen - serious quesiton: you want to rank for SEO Dublin - but you don't and you're going to struggle if you try game the system - which is what you're doing. That's not SEO and I'm really wondering what would happen if a company hired you to do SEO for them.
 

bober

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Right so, fair enough point if that's your view - I think it comes down to one's moral ethics. (Personally I don't see any issue with me leaving a genuine post on someones blog using SEO Dublin as my Name, I submitted honest un-automated information/feedback on a topic of my interest) On an off topic, similarly I don't see any issue with reading someone's source code - which I know you don't agree with! As for the SEO aspect I'm just trying to figure out certain aspects as a means of trying & testing certain elements.

Note: I do take note of your advise, help & I will take on board what you say
:)
 

link8r

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Right so, fair enough point if that's your view - I think it comes down to one's moral ethics. (Personally I don't see any issue with me leaving a genuine post on someones blog using SEO Dublin as my Name, I submitted an honest un-automated information/feedback on a topic of my interest) On an off topic, similarly I don't see any issue with reading someone's source code - which I know you don't agree with! As for the SEO aspect I'm just trying to figure out certain aspects as a means of trying & testing certain elements.
Personal Ethics?

When you're leaving a blog post it says "Name:" - so your name is "SEO Dublin" ? In e-mail, do you put in your Car Reg number or anything else that takes your fancy?

Do you think that someone who is looking for an SEO in Dublin is looking for someone who can't tell the difference ?

Do you think that you understand SEO (looking back at your list of "Please teach me how it works guys so I can do it to") ?

Its this exact reason that SEO has such a terrible name. If someone asked you if you do SEO - you'd happily take money for it and not know if a NoFollow blog comment with "SEO Dublin" as your name will help you rank ?
 

bober

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As mentioned above I do take note of your advise & for that I do appreciate. I think you have to put into consideration here the difference between me & you in terms of SEO is over 10 years. & about 1000 posts, bet ye anything when I get to over 1000 posts I won't be asking questions!

That's not a fair comment at all, so there are parts of seo that I don't know - here's one, when I firstly started out I barely new what Title Tags were & if I didn't ask questions & answer questions I wouldn't have learned. I give myself credit for learning every day, I'm attentive, driven & motivated - I put about 15hours a day into learning online marketing. I consider myself to be very well rounded when it comes to Online Marketing, I can provide a great Social Marketing Service, OnPage SEO & now I'm learing/up-skilling about Off-Page - Meanwhile I work Full-time & Self-study Every Saturday to be Google Certified.

Based on the above it gives you absolute NO RIGHT to say I give SEO a Terrible name!
 

link8r

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As mentioned above I do take note of your advise & for that I do appreciate. I think you have you have to put into consideration here the difference between me & you in terms of SEO is over 10 years. & about 1000 posts, bet ye anything when I get to over 1000 posts I won't be asking questions!

That's not a fair comment at all, so there are parts of seo that I don't know - here's one, when I firstly started out I barely new what Title Tags were & if I didn't ask questions & answer questions I wouldn't have learned. I give myself credit for learning every day, I'm attentive, driven & motivated - I put about 15hours a day into learning online marketing. I consider myself to be very well rounded when it comes to Online Marketing, I can provide a great Social Marketing Service, OnPage SEO & now I'm learing/up-skilling about Off-Page - Meanwhile I work Full-time & Self-study Every Saturday to be Google Certified.

Based on the above it gives you absolute NO RIGHT to say I give SEO a Terrible name!
I have every right. I have to pick up the pieces on SEO projects when people ride in and go "I don't know everything [or anything] but I can do it" and 12 months later the client is in a mess.

BTW - I didn't learn via asking questions and I never charged anyone until I was on page 1 for "SEO"

Glen - I'm happy to help you learn but you're not an SEO by a long shot yet. Not even by the most optimistic account.

The only reason I'm saying this: You're trying to rank for SEO dublin as if you expect to rank for SEO Dublin. And that is where there is a chasm of ability -v- desirability.
 

Michael Brookes

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Dare I venture into this discussion :) bober, most blog websites will by default only use nofollow links for comments. This is to dissuade spammers. As these blog comments are nofollow, it doesn't matter if you use your own name, your dogs name or your favourite keyword as anchor text...to quote Google How does Google handle nofollowed links?

We don't follow them. This means that Google does not transfer PageRank or anchor text across these links. Essentially, using nofollow causes us to drop the target links from our overall graph of the web.


Quote from : About rel="nofollow" - Webmaster Tools Help

Worth a read.
 

bober

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I have every right. I have to pick up the pieces on SEO projects when people ride in and go "I don't know everything [or anything] but I can do it" and 12 months later the client is in a mess.

BTW - I didn't learn via asking questions and I never charged anyone until I was on page 1 for "SEO"

Glen - I'm happy to help you learn but you're not an SEO by a long shot yet. Not even by the most optimistic account.

The only reason I'm saying this: You're trying to rank for SEO dublin as if you expect to rank for SEO Dublin. And that is where there is a chasm of ability -v- desirability.
No you don't have any right! I think you need to sit back & actually realise what your saying & get off your high-horse. Your comments are based all on SEO, David I don't claim to be an SEO Specialist by any means! I'm an Online Marketer sure read my Website I provide Information on Online Marketing Development Read my About Page & even my SEO Page, Twitter Profile, even the SEO aspect of my website is about 5%! So what, shot me for trying to rank for SEO Dublin - who knows what service I'm gonna provide in the future! But for now I'm interested in Online Marketing. I sell nothing on my site! It clearly states in my about page, 'Glen Quinn Provides Information on Internet Marketing & Online Business Development' I provide information on Social Marketing & Search Engine Marketing. I build business online by a means of Online Marketing Recommendations, On-page Recommendations, Advertising, Social Media Marketing, Putting in best Practice from the outset with a creative Online Marketing Strategy & now i'm looking into offpage. I'm an Online Marketing Executive not an SEO Specialist Therefore I'm highly disappointed with your outlandish/undermining comments.

FYI - I'm not using this forum just as my learning curve either - I'm educated in Marketing, Executive Advertising, Online Marketing & Now I'm self-studying to be Google Certified.

Also, you didn't charged people until you were on page 1 for SEO, well I've done lots of Online work that's a merit to me & I have every right to charge people for an online marketing service. I've developed Social Marketing Campaigns that are number 1 in Ireland in there field. I've created website's that keep people in steady employment in times of recession. Also, last time I checked SEO is about making 'minor changes to a websites structure & when combined with other SEO factors they have a lot of impact. Matt Cutt. Ye know, I'm here for advise, only on aspects that I'm not familiar with so I don't see why your trying to give me a hard time. I don't appreciate your tone or be-littleing comments.
 

mneylon

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A lot of blogs (and bloggers) take a dim view of people posting comments using a keyword / key phrase instead of their actual name.
 

link8r

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Glen - all of my comments were related to SEO and SEO alone. Your Original Post was in relation to SEO only

In summary "How do you counteract nofollow" isn't about being an online marketing executive but its certainly not a question one would expect from an "SEO".

I'm not giving you a hard time, nor am I trying to belittle you - I'm pointing out - or you are rather - that you are trying to learn how to game the system. I've answered other various questions you've raised with equal and straightforward honesty and best advice, this is no different. But you have to consider your own boundaries and where they cross into other people - for example, a comment on my blog from "SEO Dublin" linking to your site - my blog is not here to serve your self promotional ends.

And from a community point of view (a wider community of bloggers and web professionals) - I think that we should maintain higher standards and I feel that members of online communities should be allowed and encouraged to discuss, debate and even challenge people who try to game community networks for their own gain
 

bober

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Note taken David & look honestly I'm not intentionally trying to game the system (that's not what i'm about). I was just pondering an alternative method for anchor text when commenting on blogs. I'm all for good practice, constructive criticism but I just felt some our your comments were an attack of my character & professionalism. From a 'community courtesy' point of view I now know this type of activity (& other methods) is frowned upon & I won't be participating in this sort of activity. As said, I'm an Online Marketer but there is nothing stopping me being an SEO Specialist going forward. It's like with anything 'trial & error'. For example when it comes to Social Marketing on Facebook I didn't get to the level I'm at by never making mistake but now I have filtered all that out & provide an excellent service, likewise as I will for SEO in the future.

finally, I'm not here to argue with you by any means :)
 
That good healthy debate made for interesting robust reading with some valid points on both sides guys as a apposed to some of the more frequent mundane posts we sometimes read. For my 2cents, I think much of the issue with the term "SEO" and the ability to claim to offer that service, is the difficulty to actually quantify it. There is usually a void between a clients expectation and moreover their understanding of what SEO means, versus that of the service provider. So first off there's a huge piece of work setting expectations. But certainly for me, SEO by the fact it encompasses so much and so many facets that actually quantifying it is a job in itself.
Of course there is a summary goal to rank page 1 for an agreed set of terms, but because of the amount of ambiguity surrounding the whole path to achieve that fuelled by the volume of providers alleging to "guarantee" that, the industry as a whole is a difficult one to sell your wares in. Just my two cents sparked by some good debate. TY.
 

link8r

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Certainly is. What's also difficult is the "you don't know what you don't know" curve - and its impossible for an accomplished SEO to point out to a greenhorn what the difference is. I've seen many people stand up and talk about SEO and deliver €15k quotations but I've never seen them rank before! If you have a list of 25 things that make up your recipe and then lean another 25 things - then you're going to assume that you know most of what is out there.

When most people share links to "Top 25 secrets of SEO" or the "Real tools of SEO" - these rarely contain any of the insights I use. Most of the really good stuff on SEO is very technical or specific to a complicated but definable component - like Canon, like XML, like page load - measurable things or its very abstract.

For example, I've only just come across the first blog post about Google's CTR tool - which I predicted last year was the most powerful SEO tool Google had ever shared.

The first average CTR rate for 1st, second and third places (or including adwords: 4th, 5th, 6th place) is 36%, 12.5% and 9.5%

Somebody from Cork recently told me that it was a common known fact that 1st place gets 75% of all traffic and that AdWords get a 1:9 ratio of clicks

This is an easy to spot misnomer: 1 we manage a large amount of websites and AdWords accounts that are ranked in AdWords and Organics (because other people are advertising on their brand name etc). The CTR rates differ by country miles. And a CTR dispersement <> a % of traffic, as much of it is repeat (i.e. someone clicking on 3 links). So to say that the 3rd person only gets 9% of traffic is wrong.

It's a beautiful tool and I'll share more about it in the coming months :)
 
link8r its clear from reading your posts you are a specialist, and Im happy to learn by picking up where I can on the points you make and researching further on my own.
I think the difficulty for many of us small operators is the industry and climate is such that most customers want an all-rounder online service for next to nothing or they take their biz elsewhere (to someone else who can offer an all-round service).
If I digress for just a moment to make an analogy - I remember reading several years ago how the whole employment industry - employee requirements thing changed over the last decade and a half, where in the past it was profitable and allowed for great personal career advancement to specialise in a given craft of field.

Then take webs for example, quickly employers only wanted multi skilled all-rounder-specialists (a complete contradiction of course) who could program in PHP, java etc etc and have great flash skills etc etc and by default you ended up, except for a chosen few gifted individuals, with masses of "all-rounders" who really dont specialise in anything.

I find personally that for a small web businesses with say 1 or 2 staff its next to impossible to exist if you dont provide a complete service, but that effectively means you dont specialise in all the services you offer. And even if you recognise and are up front about this with a client and stress the need for specialist intervention in certain areas (e,g SEO), their budgets just dont allow it. I guess in summary Im saying, working with SMEs its a difficult enough business to compete in, to quote for new business and then be lucky enough to get it, that to compete at a cost effective level it can be extremely challenging to provide a complete service diligently and proudly, while still striving for betterment. But I guess the trick is to due it to the best of your ability, with integrity and keep learning right? Just the point I believe link8r is making is, dont offer a specialist service if you genuinely aren't a specialist - because then your veering into conman territory, and as a result harming the industry in the process right?
 

link8r

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That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

We have taken on sites which have built in content duplicating mechanisms and all kinds of funny things but are sold as "SEO Friendly" - but they are a country mile from it.

Certainly we do a lot of SEO-for-webdesigner training but 99% of the time thats done at the behest of the client before their site is built. This is ideal - we get to impact the design and development of the site to make sure it will be SEO friendly and it pays off in dividends.

Myself, Anton Mannering and Alan K'Necht are doing IMToolbox in Ireland this year - the how and why of SEO/Internet Marketing - I'll post on here when the site is complete!
 

zxn

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If you comment a post, that is related to your company, business or website, I think, it's absolutely ok to comment with your website's name.
But if the post is about something completely different, commenting as a keyword could be considered as spam.
 

mneylon

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If you comment a post, that is related to your company, business or website, I think, it's absolutely ok to comment with your website's name.
But if the post is about something completely different, commenting as a keyword could be considered as spam.
Why do you think it's "ok"?

Are you a person or a "business name"?
 
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