IEDR moving under Com Reg's control

[dude]

Hello

As you probably know, the IEDR are not quite a Government organisation and not quite a normal company. I believe there is a law being passed / changed where the IEDR are going to come under Com Reg's control.

Does anyone know if this is true?

Is there a supposed timetable for when the change will take place?

Thanks

 

[jmcc]

Hello

As you probably know, the IEDR are not quite a Government organisation and not quite a normal company. I believe there is a law being passed / changed where the IEDR are going to come under Com Reg's control.

Does anyone know if this is true?

Is there a supposed timetable for when the change will take place?

Thanks

The law was passed in May 2007. ComReg has effective control over the policy of .ie now. Obviously this fact escaped the technology journalists.

Is New Legislation A Death Warrant For IEDR? - WhoisIreland Review

Regards...jmcc

 

[mneylon]

If ComReg get directly involved I can see it becoming a mess.... though that would depend on who is involved directly.

ComReg were closely involved with the setting up of IENUM

 

[robfitz]

The power to regulate the .ie TLD has already (April 2007) been granted to ComReg in the Communications Regulation (Amendment) Act 2007 Sectioin 22 (second last pdf link). The relevant Commencement Order was made in May 2007, but ComReg have not produced any regulations yet.

From my lay reading of the Act, ComReg will define the rules and select the entity who will run the .ie TLD, but not run it themselves.

...
(3) The Commission may make regulations for the purposes of this section, but only after consul-tation with the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment and such other persons and public bodies (if any) as the Commission thinks appropriate.
(4) In particular, regulations under subsection (3) may do all or any of the following:
(a) specify an entity as the authority author-ised to register `.ie' domain names;
(b) prescribe the form and manner in which an application for registration or renewal of registration of an `.ie' domain name is to be made;
...

 

[mneylon]

From my lay reading of the Act, ComReg will define the rules and select the entity who will run the .ie TLD, but not run it themselves.

Not exactly

Replace "will" with "can" or "may"

 

[jmcc]

If ComReg get directly involved I can see it becoming a mess.... though that would depend on who is involved directly.

The performance of the CV padding planks on the board of IEDR hasn't been spectacular. If it wasn't for Curtin's management and some other people in IEDR, the .ie would be doing badly. The management over the last few years has been a lot better than during the dot.bomb era. I would hate to see ComReg louse that up. Though I do disagree with some of IEDR's policies and the incompetent way that they deal with blatent cybersquatting, it has grown the ccTLD.

ComReg were closely involved with the setting up of IENUM

So ComReg is the Irish equivalent of EURid and the European Commission in one? Given its performance with Eircom and the broadband debacle, that would seem apt.

Regards...jmcc

 

[dude]

I actually think David Curtain is pretty bad. I've been trying to get porn.ie / pornography.ie for quite a while. I have repeatedly been told to write to David Curtain. I then write to him and he ignores my letters.

Basically I would like to see the supporting documentation they used when coming to the conclusion the word pornography is offensive. My assumption is that their decision is not based upon their own personal viewpoint...

I hope ComReg will drag the IEDR into the modern world.

 

[mneylon]

Though I do disagree with some of IEDR's policies and the incompetent way that they deal with blatent cybersquatting, it has grown the ccTLD.

The problem at present is that there is no "steer" "PAB" or "at large" to give feedback, debate and discussion on policy

the only people who seem to make any public statements about policy seem to have a tree hugging mentality with no real world industry experience...

 

[mneylon]

I actually think David Curtain is pretty bad. I've been trying to get porn.ie / pornography.ie for quite a while. I have repeatedly been told to write to David Curtain. I then write to him and he ignores my letters

You still don't get it, do you?

You will never be able to get those domains as long as Ireland remains a catholic country.

CRO don't approve of the words so you can't get the domains either

Blaming David Curtin won't solve anything, as you seem to lack a fundamental understanding of how these things work

 

[dude]

You still don't get it, do you?

You will never be able to get those domains as long as Ireland remains a catholic country.

Taking the "sure that's just the way it is" attitude is the reason there are silly problems like this rather than Ireland being any sort of Catholic country.

CRO don't approve of the words so you can't get the domains either

Wrong. I have businesses with the words "porn" and "pornography" in them.

Blaming David Curtin won't solve anything, as you seem to lack a fundamental understanding of how these things work

No need to be nasty.

David Curtain is the boss. If he's not the main decision maker, who is?

 

[mneylon]

David Curtain is the boss. If he's not the main decision maker, who is?

The board.

Any changes in policy maybe initiated by David Curtin based on feedback etc., from stakeholders, but it has to be approved by the board.

Since the board has zero representation from the stakeholders and does not have any provisions for policy discussion the policies either don't change or take so long to change that they might as well not have changed.

 

[jmcc]

I actually think David Curtain is pretty bad. I've been trying to get porn.ie / pornography.ie for quite a while. I have repeatedly been told to write to David Curtain. I then write to him and he ignores my letters.

Perhaps he thinks that everything is sorted because those domains are on the forbidden list. That list has more to do with the government than the IEDR.

Basically I would like to see the supporting documentation they used when coming to the conclusion the word pornography is offensive. My assumption is that their decision is not based upon their own personal viewpoint...

Exactly. You are not going to get them unless the government changes its policy. End of story.

I hope ComReg will drag the IEDR into the modern world.

Do you remember Ireland before ADSL? IEDR has been modernising but the worst thing that ComReg could do would be to use a similar shower of useless planks as advisors to those that IEDR has on its board. ComReg really is supposed to do policy. IEDR is supposed to do admin. A lot of the legislation was driven by the mess created during IEDR's transition from being a project run out of the arseend of UCD to a supposedly independent company. The whole industry suffered and .ie was reduced to a laughing stock. The legislation allows IEDR to be stripped of the .ie adminstration if it gets out of line again. Perhaps you didn't notice how cooperative IEDR has become over the last year or so. Now if they could only get rid of some planks....

Regards...jmcc

 

[mneylon]

Wrong. I have businesses with the words "porn" and "pornography" in them.

I can only find two instances in the CRO database:
336830
336117

 

[jmcc]

Since the board has zero representation from the stakeholders and does not have any provisions for policy discussion the policies either don't change or take so long to change that they might as well not have changed.

Whatever happened to that great opening up on personal names that was fed to John Collins to distract him from the real story of the legislative change of IEDR's status? If the board of IEDR was eradicated, nobody in the industry would even notice. That's how irrelevant these CV padding planks are to Ireland's internet industry. Perhaps ComReg could form a policy panel to bypass these people.

Regards...jmcc

 

[mneylon]

Whatever happened to that great opening up on personal names that was fed to John Collins to distract him from the real story of the legislative change of IEDR's status?

It hasn't officially been announced.

I've been nagging them about it for weeks

Once it's officially announce it could get quite interesting for a few weeks !

 

[dude]

I can only find two instances in the CRO database:
336830
336117

Both mine

 

[mneylon]

Both mine

Fair enough